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7 responses to “The Fed is Good for Gold, Report 25 September, 2016”

  1. Wow.

    At the time this report came out (on Sunday), the basis was above LIBOR. So a bank could make money by borrowing from another bank, buying gold on the spot market, and then selling in the future’s market.

    It is now Thursday and the spot price of gold has fallen pretty dramatically. At the same time, it looks like the basis has fallen to around 0.2%, well below LIBOR.

    I also see that the candle for Monday shows a long upper wick. So I guess the banks must have driven up the spot price until the basis collapsed, and then it kept falling afterwards because new supply came in?

  2. The gold basis for December ’16 did not fall to 0.2%. Last quote at 7:15pm Mountain time September 29 has it at 0.873%. Yesterday’s closing 3 month LIBOR quote was 0.83769 %. A good comparison since the December contract is exactly 90 days from expiration. No bank or institution will be borrowing money at LIBOR from another bank, buying gold and selling a future against it to take a tiny 0.036% spread which would disappear to nothing after other costs involved.

  3. Thanks Pizza Genie. Where do you get your quotes from?

    I was using this page: http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/metals/precious/gold.html then subtracting spot from future, then finding what percentage that number is of the futures price (using Bing’s calculator). I admit, falling from 1.1% to 0.2% doesn’t sound believable. So I’ve probably made a mistake somewhere.

    Is there a resource on the web somewhere that will just quote me the current basis at a particular moment?

  4. That CME data is delayed by 10 minutes so you may be comparing real time spot to 10 minute delayed futures. First step would be to get an accurate bid/ask quote with a time stamp for both spot gold and the gold futures contract in question. Goldseek.com has that for spot gold, esignal does as well and it also has delayed bid/ask quotes for futures. There is no gold basis/cobasis quote that I know of so I pull up a spot quote and try to refresh the esignal futures quote to match the timestamp on the spot quote. From there you can get accurate data.

    If you read Keith’s explanation of this report the gold basis is future (bid) minus spot (ask). This gives you a cost per ounce to “carry” gold. Divide that cost into the spot (ask) and multiply by 100. Write that number down. As the basis here is quoted annualized as a percentage you need to know the days to expiry for the future in question. So divide 365 by that number, today would be 90, 365/90 = 4.0555555. Take the written down number and multiply by 4.0555555 to get the basis as a percentage. For the cobasis it is spot (bid) minus future (ask) and done basically the same way.

    When I have calcualted it like this it is confirmed in this report once it comes out, allowing for some wobble for using different data sources.

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