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6 responses to “Take It To The Bank: Interest Rates Won’t Rise, Report 11 Feb 2018”

  1. I’m not in the crystal ball gazing business so I don’t know where interest rates are headed. I do know that all value is subjective. I also think that it is not impossible that interest rates might rise. One possible mechanism would be that prices for goods and services are perceived to be rising by market participants and those participants then start to demand an interest premium when loaning money to account for the perceived “inflation premium.” This could possibly cause a rise in nominal rates. While I don’t disagree with Keith that this would wreak havoc with many governments and businesses through an increase in their borrowing costs and that this outcome could well be catastrophic for them, I’m not as sure that this “proves” that rising rates are impossible. I also admit that I don’t fully understand Keith’s ” Theory of Interest and Prices in Paper Currency.”

  2. Thanks for another good post Keith. Your six part series, by the way, is excellent.

    In terms of another theory as to how rates could keep moving up, i agree with your views on how a highly leveraged system such as what we have now will move to the black hole of zero rates and revulsion of money via that route. I do think it is important to explore the avenues that change time preference. To get to the holy grail of consistent rising rates (tight margins (check), rising wages, money stock (check) and velocity) a shift in liquidity preferences with distributional conflict must occur. The former, which is a velocity issue, relies on your already mentioned budgetary issues and goes into Cochranes FTPL where money holders forsee direct fed to treasury monetization of fiscal deficits and exit. But where too, as you have stated? Perhaps commodities (rising rates weaken the case for share buybacks and strengthen CAPEX – more plants and equip for companies to meet EPS targets and maybe short term but unsustainable profit increases) and hard goods for consumers as time pref rises. Rising wages could be anticipated with an anticipated change to a more liberal administration (Bernie Sanders and universal basic income or even trump and aggressive tax rebates if economy falters). Finally, there aren’t any cases of sustained i-rate rises in a high debt situation (which is really hyperinflation) that has not been preceded by war that destroys supplies and production facilities. Assuming we don’t have a real hot war, I am not sure that trade breakdown with China would have the same results but together with a series of natural disasters, an energy/food crisis (unlikely for some years as fracking helped immensely), and/or social tension could be enough to present the necessary distributional conflict for resources.

    So generally I agree that higher sustained rates are unlikely unless the above events transpire.

  3. The US is the world’s largest debtor nation. A rising interest rate cycle can occur simply from a widespread preference to stop using the dollar, concern that the national debt will not be repaid, or that the dollars themselves will not have value in the future.

    The Federal Reserve itself could precipitate the crisis with their selling of treasury securities. If their bid to purchase during QE was a risk free opportunity for bond speculators to front run their purchases and drive the interest rate down – then their offer to sell is a similar incentive to front run their selling and drive interest rates up.

    This Fed selling seems to be occuring right as the foolish budget deal to jack up spending will lead to even more increased debt issuance. With fed selling, budget deficits swelling and repayment concerns rising, there is every incentive for the bond market to revolt and drive up the interest rate. When unhindered bond markets sniff out that governments won’t be able to repay their debts, they are pretty good at spiking rates higher in short order (ex. Greece).

    It can be argued that the Fed will simply reverse course, and resume QE, but the damage they could do beforehand in unquantifiable. There is also no guarantee that renewed QE would be “successful” again and may lead to the foreign exchange markets punishing the dollar (ie. gold going up rapidly) and leading to a dollar selling flurry by sovereign central banks that had been warehousing dollars and USD securities for decades. It is similiar to the thesis espoused by those like Peter Schiff.

    This world view that all other currencies will fail first before the dollar, because they are “dollar derivatives” is flawed and very poorly justified. It relies on a “hunch” about how various independent thinkers will act in the future under extremely volatile and uncertain circumstances. Possibilities of reform or competition and displacement by other currencies are ignored. The rest of the world makes the useful products in the world and sends them to the US for their dollars. There is much greater incentive for the rest of the world to abandon the dollar rather than go down in ruin with the sinking ship.

  4. My crystal ball says Keith is right, demand for credit is soft. Of course he’s referring to consumer credit. The demand for credit by governments, however, is as robust as ever. And increasing at a rapid rate.

    Still, interest rates remain near 5000 year lows. At some point they are bound to go up, sure. That’s obvious. But odds for that kind of sustained material rise doesn’t appear to be high until markets begin to smell the stench of default. For clues to when that might begin, watch the high yield market. That will be first to go.

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